Tumblr (3.0; @rabbitsmiceandfleas)http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/ <Simply-Me> An old Cherokee told his grandson: "My son, there is a battle between two wolves inside us all. One is Evil. It is anger, jealousy, greed, resentment, inferiority, lies & ego. The other is Good. It is joy, peace, love, hope, humility, kindness, empathy & truth. The boy thought about it, and asked; "Granfather, which wolf wins?" And the grandfather quietly replied: "the one you feed".http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/49551436319http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/49551436319Fri, 03 May 2013 20:33:20 -0400* Amy_ has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> whatever poisons or toxins we dump into the planet, came form the planet originally<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> you're a pretty crappy Captain_Planet, you know that?<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> lol<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> good thing amy wasn't here<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> you'd have bumps on your head<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> its not as if we ship pollution in from jupiter<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> we might create a world that doesnt support human life for ourselves but thats ok<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> the planet isnt about to drop into a black hole, it will recover<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> representing Captain_Planet that was is a capital offense in her eyes<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> haha<br /> <br /> <br /> * starshine has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> ok.. you're warming up now<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> you're getting a bit of carlin in there, but it's not as bad as i thought<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> however, it's still a bad attitude<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> a distraction<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> well what effort needs to be put into saving the planet depends on what you expect from it. if you want the planet to be a home for humans then yeah lets do something to regrow some trees or clean up the water<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> humanity (and many of the species we're going to have killed, if we don't shape up) is worth saving<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> see, now you beat me to that!<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> you're revving up, captain!<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> keep going!<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> the distraction is thinking we have any right to fix the 'damage' we have done in the first place<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> ok, now you're sinking<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> the damage in our eyes is the potential effect it could have on future human or animal life<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> yes.... go on....<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> haha, ive nothing to prove to you<br /> <br /> <br /> * n|ne rolls eyes<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> if you have a point of view then lets hear it<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> it's just my way of interacting lol<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> don't take it personally<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> i'm guessing you don't have kids, eh?<br /> <br /> <br /> * starshine (starshine@8AF02B.DBCBA5.94D3E3.BDEB16) has joined #Buddhism<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> probably a pretty crappy life, too, right?<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> humans cannot do more damage to 'nature' than say a violent volcanic erruption, if you view this planet as something that belongs to humans<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> well, if you consider the surface of Venus to be nature, then yes, you're right.<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> n|ne as i said ive nothign to prove to you, how you can possible pressume anything about me is mind boggling<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> if you don't understand how it's possible for humanity to cause that kind of environment here, you don't really understand math very well<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> lol you don't get the whole "it's just my way of interacting, don't take it personally" bit, do you?<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> [02:26:54] <n|ne> probably a pretty crappy life, too, right?<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> yes, that was an honest guess<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> is that how you interact with total strangers?<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> not judging you<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> i'm asking<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> is it true?<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> you pressume they have a poor life, essentially because they disagree with you?<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> no, i didn't presume, i guessed, hoping for an answer<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> it really doesn't matter<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> wanna answer?<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> was i right or wrong?<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> i guessed that because... i figure only a person miserable about his life would embrace your views. that's all.<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> in my eyes you are wrong<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> you don't think your life is crappy?<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> help me understand then<br /> <br /> <br /> * Abhaya (Abhaya@5D5F19.24FDDA.35328C.8E9A49) has joined #Buddhism<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> i was goign to say, the only relevance my quality of life could possibly have to my views would be you see them as being pessimisitic<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> the fundemental difference between you and i appears to be you see the planet as a garden or a home (or a larder) for humans to do with as they please<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> how did you come up with the idea that humanity as an entity has no right to correct the environmental damage it's caused<br /> <br /> <br /> <starshine> Hello Abhaya<br /> <br /> <br /> * n|ne waves and grinz at Abhaya <br /> <br /> <br /> <Abhaya> Hello.<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> for all we know, the planet mightve pushed for human life in order to create lots of plastic and nuclear waste, which itll use for something else<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> yeah, i read that hilarious idea, too<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> really really funny<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> the point is n|ne, that the enviromental damage you talk about is only damaging to us as humans<br /> <br /> <br /> <starshine> all life<br /> <br /> <br /> <EnterNickName> hello nine my super little<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> and my point, earlier, was that you're wrong.<br /> <br /> <br /> <EnterNickName> hey starshine<br /> <br /> <br /> <EnterNickName> any news of our friend fabrizio?<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> you don't understand even the simplest math.<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> (if you believe that)<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> not ALL life<br /> <br /> <br /> <starshine> yes, all life<br /> <br /> <br /> <starshine> sit down<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> im not saying im happy about what we've done to the world by any stretch<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> lol<br /> <br /> <br /> <starshine> we are killing off our own planet every day<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> n|ne help me understand the simplest math lol<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> i can't<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> go on<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> ok, i'll try <br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> do you understand business math at all?<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> like... interest?<br /> <br /> <br /> <starshine> Hello EnterNickName<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> the famous 7% video is in my bookmarks somewhere<br /> <br /> <br /> <EnterNickName> hey i'm here to do the Bruce Lee move<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> yes<br /> <br /> <br /> <EnterNickName> is this the right chan?<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> you do?<br /> <br /> <br /> <EnterNickName> i want to do the move<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> yes i understand<br /> <br /> <br /> <starshine> Bruce or Jet will be fine<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> do you accept that the vast areas of ice at the poles not only reflect a lot of energy from the sun, but also lock a lot of methane in the ground?<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> i mean, do you accept that that's a truth?<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> yes i accept that<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> of course<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> ive a feeling about to repeat myself<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> im*<br /> <br /> <br /> <EnterNickName> i just escaped from the mental care house<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> and you understand (and accept as a truth) that all the known carbon-energy producing resources in the world are already in the worlds economy and there is no way short of economic or political collapse to stop them from getting into the air?<br /> <br /> <br /> <EnterNickName> anyone here also is a mental case?<br /> <br /> <br /> <EnterNickName> they looking for me from helicopter now<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> and that people are searching out more carbon-energy resources constantly?<br /> <br /> <br /> <EnterNickName> i'm jokeing<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> yes n|ne i accept all of that<br /> <br /> <br /> <starshine> well, enjoy yourself till they come for you<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> yes<br /> <br /> <br /> <EnterNickName> nine are you here to do the Bruce Lee move also?<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> carry on<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> is that it?<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> so here's the question where you answer no: Do you know how high the global average temperature will rise as a result of all this, and do you you know the effects on life of that? Do you know how the atmospheric system will respond to all that? do you know what the outcome will be?<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> can i talk now<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> this planet hasn't always supported life<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> it won't always<br /> <br /> <br /> <EnterNickName> nine is my little wife<br /> <br /> <br /> <EnterNickName> i protect her romance her all day<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> but you can't state with such confidence that lol<br /> <br /> <br /> <EnterNickName> she's waiting 35 girls from me<br /> <br /> <br /> <EnterNickName> doctors say<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> shall i go back to what i said from the start<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> we can't hurt nature?<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> yes, i agree that from a certain point of view, you and your favorite commedian are correct - we can't hurt nature. Hell, the surface of the moon is natural.<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> We can't hurt nature.<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> We could end all life on earth.<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> the enviroment and nature are not the same thing. the enviroment we have at the moment is whats required for humans and other animals to survivie on this planet. nature is a force thats existed since the dawn of the universe<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> i don't personally believe that would happen, but i don't say we can't.<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> yes<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> i agree<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> all of these problems regarding energy consumption or turning the oceans into toxic soup, is only damaging in the context of human life and the life of other animals on this planet<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> there i say... prove it<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> you didnt ask me why am i not out saving the human race form enviromental suicide<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> you asked me why am i nto out saving the planet<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> oh so all this is about your anal pickieness?<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> lol<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> short of the sun throwing neptune at us or something, the planet will be fine<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> here i thought you had a point<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> why are you like that?<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> i think youll find all of this was stems from your need to make a point about somebody calling themselves Captain_Planet and not being a greenpeace ninja super soldier instead of going to sleep early<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> lol<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> for the 9th time... i was JOKING<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> don't take it personally!<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> [02:17:20] <n|ne> hi EnterNickName - thanks. you too.[02:17:55] <n|ne> sounds restful, Captain_Planet [02:17:55] <n|ne> but ... don't you have a lot of work to do?[02:17:55] <n|ne> saving nature and all?[02:17:55] <n|ne> how can you take a night off from that?[02:18:33] <Captain_Planet> oh dont worry about nature, nature will be fine ï·¯<br /> <br /> <br /> <n|ne> no, you only got mad when i guessed that you had a crappy life<br /> <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> [02:21:45] <n|ne> you're a pretty crappy Captain_Planet, you know that?[02:21:46] <n|ne> lol[02:21:46] <n|ne> good thing amy wasn't here<br /> <br /> <n|ne> poor little you<br /> <br /> <n|ne> the big mean integer called you names!<br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> you then went on to ask me if i had a crappy life<br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> youre showing yourself up now<br /> <br /> <n|ne> Captain_Planet, I apologize for calling you a crappy Captain_Planet <br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> ive made a mockery of all your business math bluster etc. youve typed out a load of irrelevant nonsense<br /> <br /> <n|ne> need more?<br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> do you apologise for asking if i have a crappy life, too?<br /> <br /> <n|ne> apologize for guessing that, you mean? no<br /> <br /> <n|ne> it's pretty clear that was a brilliant guess<br /> <br /> <n|ne> you're a miserable fuck lol<br /> <br /> <n|ne> but at least you make an interesting little debate opponent<br /> <br /> <n|ne> however... i'm bored with it now, so... goodbye.<br /> <br /> <Captain_Planet> youre just in a huff now lol<br /> <br /> * n|ne giggles and nod<br /> http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/46807615238http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/46807615238Sun, 31 Mar 2013 21:11:07 -0400 <n|ne> my mango tree is dying<br /> <n|ne> i think there's nothing i can do about it<br /> <n|ne> sad faces<br /> <n|ne> it was so large and full of life<br /> <n|ne> then i transplanted it into a larger pot<br /> <n|ne> and over the course of 6 months, all its leaves have fallen<br /> <Amy_> and it died<br /> <n|ne> or, well, almost all<br /> <n|ne> those that haven't look very very bad<br /> <n|ne> 80% of it is gone<br /> <Amy_> no hope for reviving it?<br /> * n|ne shrugs<br /> <n|ne> i'm not sure i want it<br /> <n|ne> i look at it and think... what if it dies?<br /> <n|ne> maybe i'll be heart-broken<br /> <n|ne> or maybe i'll just have one less worry<br /> <n|ne> anyway, there's nothing i can do<br /> <Amy_> I see.<br /> <n|ne> i haven't got the heart to pull it up<br /> <n|ne> shake off it's roots<br /> <n|ne> toss it out<br /> <n|ne> i don't know whether to water it, put some kind of plant food on it<br /> <n|ne> i'm guessing re-potting it would be bad lol<br /> <n|ne> so day after day, i sit and watch it wither... the leaves get crunchy, or just fall off.<br /> <Amy_> try to save it, then<br /> <n|ne> what do you recommend?<br /> <n|ne> i could talk to it, i guess.<br /> <n|ne> i could say "Look, little mango... Do you want this?"<br /> <n|ne> i could say "If you want this, you're going to have to make an effort."<br /> <Amy_> I'm not much of a plant expert. Let me call my dad.<br /> <n|ne> lol no<br /> * n|ne hugs you<br /> <n|ne> you're very sweet<br /> http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/46165822452http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/46165822452Sun, 24 Mar 2013 11:49:08 -0400<Covenant> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKEtft8TGEo<br /> <Covenant> It satirizes the greedy consumerism of the west <br /> <Covenant> So bad that alien invaders have taken over and taken away the rights of the people to make their own decisions.<br /> <Covenant> Everyone has been dulled and is being brainwashed by subliminal messages of advertising that instill a sense of obedience in the alien masters.<br /> <Covenant> People have so been dulled they can't notice what is going on<br /> <Covenant> They have become apathetic to the plight of the people<br /> <Covenant> All because of a greedy culture of buying and selling products<br /> <Covenant> The sunglasses show what the real world is like and makes things clear.<br /> <n|ne> and the movie is called "They"?<br /> <Covenant> They Live<br /> <Covenant> by John Carpenter who also directed Halloween and The Thing<br /> <Covenant> "Much of the film echoes themes of mindless consumption, which is revealed to be engineered through the media and advertising. The parallel to American society was noted by social policy researcher and historian Paul Street."<br /> <n|ne> Sounds brilliant, but looks too silly for my tastes. I'd prefer a less goofy presentation of the idea.http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/33340743533http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/33340743533Wed, 10 Oct 2012 22:20:00 -0400<Guest_339> gaze<br /> <Wednesday> haha<br /> <Guest_339> haha<br /> <Guest_339> do u respect gaze<br /> <Guest_339> or no<br /> <Wednesday> lol<br /> <Guest_339> ??<br /> <Wednesday> i neither respect nor disrespect that particular classification.<br /> <Guest_339> oh<br /> <Guest_339> so<br /> <Wednesday> ask me about an individual who's gay and I'll answer for that one only.<br /> <Guest_339> if u are talking to a gay<br /> <Guest_339> do u mind?<br /> <Wednesday> lol<br /> <Wednesday> one of my favorite chatters is gay.<br /> <Wednesday> how's that?<br /> <Guest_339> is it a problem<br /> <Guest_339> cool<br /> <Guest_339> i feel relaxed now<br /> <Guest_339> dude<br /> <Guest_339> i was scared and shy <br /> <Guest_339> lol<br /> <Wednesday> about what?<br /> <Guest_339> maybe u not wanting to chat with me<br /> <Wednesday> as you wish lol<br /> <Guest_339> lol<br /> <Guest_339> so<br /> <Guest_339> how old r u<br /> <Wednesday> 44<br /> <Wednesday> and you?<br /> <Guest_339> 17<br /> <Guest_339> u like my age?<br /> <Wednesday> i dunno lol<br /> <Guest_339> lol<br /> <Guest_339> u have kids?<br /> <Wednesday> i guess it's a fine age<br /> * Wednesday sighs<br /> <Wednesday> yes, i do<br /> <Guest_339> aw<br /> <Guest_339> how old<br /> <Wednesday> i have three kids - a girl 18, a boy 17, and a boy 14<br /> <Guest_339> aw<br /> <Guest_339> so ur boy is my age<br /> <Wednesday> seems so<br /> <Guest_339> hey can i ask u a serious thing?<br /> <Wednesday> you can ask<br /> <Guest_339> would u kick out ur son out of home if u knew he is gay? :(<br /> <Wednesday> lol<br /> <Wednesday> no<br /> <Wednesday> that's pretty pathetic<br /> <Guest_339> hm<br /> <Guest_339> ur a good dad<br /> <Guest_339> well..<br /> <Wednesday> but if i were that kind of person... it's be ME with the problem. not my kid.<br /> <Guest_339> hm<br /> <Guest_339> it happened to me :(<br /> <Wednesday> yeah, i kinda guessed you were going to say that.<br /> <Guest_339> hm<br /> <Guest_339> :(<br /> <Guest_339> u know<br /> <Guest_339> i really feel<br /> <Guest_339> bad<br /> <Guest_339> i feel i dont have a daddy<br /> <Guest_339> :S<br /> <Guest_339> i dont know i feel reall sad<br /> <Guest_339> i never done any bed :(<br /> <Guest_339> bad<br /> <Wednesday> yeah, it's a sad thing<br /> <Guest_339> hm<br /> <Guest_339> its been<br /> <Guest_339> like<br /> <Guest_339> 2 years<br /> <Guest_339> he never spoke to me and never saw me after that day<br /> <Guest_339> he doesnt want to see me even :(<br /> <Guest_339> he really sad bad shit about me that day<br /> <Guest_339> fuck i really cry when i remember :(<br /> <Wednesday> the ones we love always hurt us the most<br /> <Guest_339> hm<br /> <Guest_339> imagine<br /> <Guest_339> i was 15 <br /> <Guest_339> and i had to live on my own<br /> <Guest_339> :(<br /> <Guest_339> do ur kids live with u ?<br /> <Wednesday> no, with their mom<br /> <Guest_339> aw why<br /> <Guest_339> why do i feel i really want a hug from u know an older guy<br /> <Wednesday> lol<br /> <Wednesday> it wouldn't help you<br /> <Guest_339> what should i do<br /> <Wednesday> maybe meditation would help you.<br /> <Guest_339> help me with what<br /> <Guest_339> can u be my daddy ?<br /> <Wednesday> lol<br /> <Wednesday> i'm pretty sure i can't give you what you're looking for.<br /> <Guest_339> ?<br /> <Guest_339> yes u can<br /> <Guest_339> can u take care of me<br /> <Wednesday> i don't see how.<br /> <Guest_339> ?<br /> <Guest_339> just make me feel am not alone<br /> <Guest_339> :(<br /> <Wednesday> well, i can talk to you.<br /> <Wednesday> that's about all.<br /> <Wednesday> i seriously doubt whether you want the kind of conversation I'm capable of giving, though.<br /> <Guest_339> can u call me<br /> <Wednesday> lol<br /> <Guest_339> son?<br /> <Wednesday> i don't even know you, sonny boy.<br /> <Guest_339> :(<br /> <Guest_339> u dont know how much am sad<br /> <Wednesday> your attention is too internalized.<br /> <Wednesday> you look inside, find your bad memories.<br /> <Guest_339> what u mean<br /> <Wednesday> you pick them up and hold them and let them make you feel sad.<br /> <Wednesday> you dwell on them and wish and dream.<br /> <Wednesday> then you cry because your wishes and dreams don't come true.<br /> <Wednesday> so you do it all over again.<br /> <Guest_339> :(<br /> <Wednesday> it's your choice.<br /> <Guest_339> what should i do<br /> <Guest_339> tell me what to do<br /> <Wednesday> put your attention outside yourself.<br /> <Wednesday> look out into the world.<br /> <Guest_339> like how<br /> <Guest_339> tell me<br /> <Guest_339> u r 44<br /> <Guest_339> am still young<br /> <Guest_339> teach me <br /> <Wednesday> find art... politics... charity... sports...<br /> <Wednesday> lol<br /> <Wednesday> i'm teaching, man. i'm teaching.<br /> <Guest_339> a bf?<br /> <Wednesday> but to be successfus, you have to adopt the lesson.<br /> <Wednesday> i think you should start with things you can control, to be honest.<br /> <Wednesday> a bf is a free agent<br /> <Guest_339> so<br /> <Wednesday> it's more likely to give you pain, the condition you're in now.<br /> <Guest_339> its not good to have a bf<br /> <Wednesday> i didn't say that<br /> <Wednesday> it'll be good for you when you're stronger<br /> <Wednesday> it's bad for you now, while you're weak.<br /> <Wednesday> first, find something you can control.<br /> <Wednesday> pick anything.<br /> <Wednesday> what interests you?<br /> <Guest_339> sports?<br /> <Guest_339> soccer<br /> <Wednesday> ok<br /> <Wednesday> do you play?<br /> <Guest_339> yea<br /> <Guest_339> when i get hit<br /> <Guest_339> i start crying :(<br /> <Wednesday> well... maybe you should try something gentler.<br /> <Guest_339> they call me sissy :(<br /> <Wednesday> oh, and then you stash that away with all your sadness, so you can take it out again and again.<br /> <Guest_339> ?<br /> <Guest_339> it even ended<br /> <Wednesday> i don't mean to sound cruel<br /> <Guest_339> up<br /> <Guest_339> peeing on me :(<br /> <Guest_339> all these dicks<br /> <Wednesday> wth? <br /> <Wednesday> you should file a complaing. a lawsuit, even.<br /> <Wednesday> complaint*<br /> <Guest_339> they threatened me<br /> <Guest_339> dude<br /> <Guest_339> they told me dare u tell anyone<br /> <Guest_339> why is that<br /> <Guest_339> is it <br /> <Guest_339> that i have blonde hair and blue eyes<br /> <Guest_339> :(<br /> <Guest_339> ?<br /> <Guest_339> ???<br /> <Wednesday> i dunno what to say.<br /> <Wednesday> you're determined to be sad.<br /> <Wednesday> i can't help you. <br /> <Guest_339> ur fucked to be a whore i fucked ur mother u dickehad gay whore uur mothe is my btich<br /> <Guest_339> ur fucked to be a whore i fucked ur mother u dickehad gay whore uur mothe is my btich<br /> <Guest_339> ur fucked to be a whore i fucked ur mother u dickehad gay whore uur mothe is my btich<br /> <Guest_339> ur fucked to be a whore i fucked ur mother u dickehad gay whore uur mothe is my btich<br /> <Guest_339> ur fucked to be a whore i fucked ur mother u dickehad gay whore uur mothe is my btich<br /> <Guest_339> ur fucked to be a whore i fucked ur mother u dickehad gay whore uur mothe is my btich<br /> <Guest_339> ur fucked to be a whore i fucked ur mother u dickehad gay whore uur mothe is my btich<br /> <Guest_339> fuck u asshole gay whore<br /> <Guest_339> ur mother is my sluty bithc<br /> <Guest_339> and u r such a gay<br /> <Guest_339> dickhead<br /> <Guest_339> whore<br /> <Wednesday> haha<br /> <Guest_339> fuck u asshole<br /> <Wednesday> i've been waiting for that!<br /> <Wednesday> rofl<br /> * Guest_339 has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/31089985951http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/31089985951Fri, 07 Sep 2012 20:49:36 -0400<Amy_> What do you need?<br /> <Scott> what i told you earlier<br /> <Scott> about the tension<br /> <Scott> watching it all happen makes me tense, so i need to learn why and correct tht<br /> <Scott> a great soldier is never aggressive; a good fighter is never angry;<br /> <Scott> maybe a good ~ is never tense<br /> <Amy_> lol<br /> <Amy_> Tense is not bad you know. It signals that there is a problem. And it signals that solutions can be devised.<br /> <Scott> i don't have a problem with emotions - only with letting them control me<br /> <Amy_> Your emotions are turned inwards.<br /> <Scott> i don't know what that means<br /> * Amy_ has quit (Connection closed)<br /> <Amy_> I meant that, I think, it's a theory, your emotions are um, how to explain. You order your emotions inwards. Inside of you. It's a very strong aspect of you. You have to have order in your own emotions. And only after that are you precoccupied to deal with the outside world.<br /> <Scott> it's more like this: I used to act immediately on my emotions, and the result was that my world was ripped apart.<br /> <Scott> i ruined a lot<br /> <Amy_> Yes, because you neglected ordering your emotions inside, maybe.<br /> <Scott> i suspect that overcoming the effects of the tension will come from understanding its cause and will have the effect of disapating the tension in these kinds of situations<br /> <Amy_> Tension, like pain is a warning.<br /> <Scott> yes, i understand your point<br /> <Scott> but if i don't need the warning, maybe i won't have to feel it so much.<br /> <Scott> for example...<br /> <Scott> for example, yesterday i was cooking on my griddle<br /> <Scott> i touched the back of the griddle to move it forward and, instantly remembering that this could be foolish, pulled my hand away<br /> <Scott> it's a good thing, too, because the metal was very hot<br /> <Scott> the pain didn't come for over a second, but it was severe<br /> <Scott> had i waited for the pain, i'd have taken serious damage to my finger<br /> <Scott> as it was, it hurt for quite a while, but didn't blister<br /> <Scott> the pain was bearable<br /> <Scott> so... yes, we learn from pain, and from tension, to avoid the circumstances that cause them, or to move properly to minimize any damage<br /> <Scott> the end.<br /> <Scott> lol<br /> <Amy_> Yes.<br /> <Amy_> Exactly.<br /> <Amy_> Lol.<br /> <Amy_> But you want to get rid of that tension.<br /> <Amy_> But you see the outer problems based on how much it affects your feelings.<br /> <Scott> i also want to develope the mindfulness that keeps me from touching the hot metal in the first place.<br /> <Scott> develop<br /> <Amy_> Hm, okay.<br /> <Scott> :) you understand<br /> <Scott> you're right though - it's good that we can't just cut off the things we don't like. they're there to teach us.http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/29163188385http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/29163188385Fri, 10 Aug 2012 21:37:05 -0400<huzecue> well.. a couple went to their guru asking for help ..to cure their child of his obsession with sweets<br /> <huzecue> the guru asked 'em to return after a few weeks... <br /> <huzecue> cause the parents requested him to speak to the child<br /> <huzecue> after a few days the guru called 'em and asked to bring the child and spoke to him.. <br /> <huzecue> the child cured.. asked why they were asked to return after a few days, the guru said that he'd to first of all work on himself, for he was as well a lover of sweets!http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/25002943181http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/25002943181Wed, 13 Jun 2012 00:09:13 -0400<LadyMarmalade> where is the topic?<br /> <nine> oh<br /> <nine> it's gone<br /> <nine> i'll find it<br /> * nine has changed the topic to: http://fryeblog.blog.lib.mcmaster.ca/files/2011/11/occupy-wall-street-poster.jpg <br /> <nine> My current favorite picture in the world<br /> <LadyMarmalade> it's awesome<br /> <nine> i think it's very beautiful and really stands for the state of the world in a weird way<br /> <nine> I keep thinking how fast that monstrous, raging bull must be going - jerking around, accelerating in all directions, all that raw, mad, unbridled power; smoke all around, PeaceKeepers marching in behind; But there on top, calm, poised, tender, elegant, disciplined, she magically keeps her place.<br /> <nine> The bull can't shake her any more than he could shake watchful eyes resting on him, following him wherever he goes.<br /> <LadyMarmalade> ooh<br /> <LadyMarmalade> really<br /> <LadyMarmalade> yes it is this way<br /> <nine> What is our one demand?<br /> <nine> I say, our one demand should be not to the 1%, but to the 99% - Watch. Never stop watching. Pay attention. Speak out. Do Your Part in Democracy!!!<br /> <nine> You have no idea what i'm talking about, huh?<br /> <nine> lol<br /> <LadyMarmalade> lol<br /> <LadyMarmalade> I do<br /> <LadyMarmalade> have a clue<br /> <nine> someday i'll make a speech in front of a huge crowd.http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/22005393585http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/22005393585Sat, 28 Apr 2012 18:03:03 -0400<MrChips> i got a new lawn mower<br /> <MrChips> a zero turn<br /> <MrChips> its fast<br /> <n|ne> nice<br /> <n|ne> i sure could use a big mower where i am<br /> <n|ne> and a tiller<br /> <n|ne> and a tractor<br /> <n|ne> and three gorgeous redheads<br /> <n|ne> and a gibson SG<br /> <n|ne> and a wicked cool space ship like Serenety or the millennium falcon<br /> <n|ne> and a working chainsaw<br /> <n|ne> and a personal seceretary to keep track of all my receipts and do my taxes and get good tax breaks for me and keep track of where all my stuff is because i fucking lose everything - i just set it down and then i can't find it - and to make sure i pay all my bills on time and don't get overdrawn (because i always forget to pay stuff) and to make sure i'm eating healthy especially when i'm traveling a lot (because i tend to eat potato chips and candy bars for too many meals when I'm traveling) and to read to me aloud from whichever books i pick while i'm doing things like gardening or dishes.<br /> http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/21362074904http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/21362074904Wed, 18 Apr 2012 22:41:18 -0400 <mipsy> oh yeah, you know what i dreamt? i dreamt i went swimming in a pool, and i was drifting along for a bit, under the water, in de middle part of the pool, when i noticed some women, floating around, aimlessly, lost, then i went deeper under the water, to the bottom, and you know what was there? hell, and i realized, that there was a certain comfort and allure to being there, and that if i wasn't careful i could never again rise to the surface, at that moment my fear jolted me up, up!! and as i resurfaced, i was so relieved.... that's it!<br /> <n|ne> wow<br /> <n|ne> that's a pretty amazing dream<br /> <n|ne> i love the bit about "certain comfort"<br /> <mipsy> yeah, i thought so too! that's why i remembered<br /> <n|ne> so true, isn't it?<br /> <mipsy> yeah<br /> http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/18287337543http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/18287337543Sat, 25 Feb 2012 21:06:32 -0500<MystiqueEnigma> There once lived a great warrior. Though quite old, he still was able to defeat any challenger. His reputation extended far and wide throughout the land and many students gathered to study under him. <br /> <MystiqueEnigma> One day an infamous young warrior arrived at the village. He was determined to be the first man to defeat the great master. Along with his strength, he had an uncanny ability to spot and exploit any weakness in an opponent. <br /> <MystiqueEnigma> He would wait for his opponent to make the first move, thus revealing a weakness, and then would strike with merciless force and lightning speed. No one had ever lasted with him in a match beyond the first move. <br /> <MystiqueEnigma> Much against the advice of his concerned students, the old master gladly accepted the young warrior's challenge. As the two squared off for battle, the young warrior began to hurl insults at the old master. He threw dirt and spit in his face. For hours he verbally assaulted him with every curse and insult known to mankind.<br /> <MystiqueEnigma> But the old warrior merely stood there motionless and calm. Finally, the young warrior exhausted himself. Knowing he was defeated, he left feeling shamed. <br /> <MystiqueEnigma> Somewhat disappointed that he did not fight the insolent youth, the students gathered around the old master and questioned him. "How could you endure such an indignity? How did you drive him away?"<br /> <MystiqueEnigma> "If someone comes to give you a gift and you do not receive it," the master replied, "to whom does the gift belong?"<br /> http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/13305892776http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/13305892776Fri, 25 Nov 2011 13:09:46 -0500<br /> <Scott> people talk about mindfullness as if it's something a person can do...<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> but something under there is strongly fighting against ME being "mindful"<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> i can't just decide to be mindful<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> i'm not in control of that.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> i can grasp it for a moment or two<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> You can still practice it.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> Grasp might not be the best approach<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> that's my point<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> With ongoing practice, there's no need to grasp.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> It grows ever more natural.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> that doesn't seem to be the case for me<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> How do you practice?<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> mindfulness only comes when i work, or chat, or attempt to keep it.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> When doesn't it come?<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> with work, it's variable. it comes a while, and i'm mindful of my work, but sometimes it doesn't stay long, and my mind wanders - other times i work very successfully.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> with chat, i'm always right here. i never daydream. my mind is fully on the conversations i'm having... the situation at hand.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> Hm...<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> in life, though... my mind wonders constantly. cleaning the house, cooking, living, playing, gardening...<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> The way I see it, mindfulness extends beyond the mind being fully on something.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> always always, i'm in a daydream, until i think "i want to be mindful"<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> so i practice... try to grasp it.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> it's my only option now, i think.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> Do you see the subtle ways you affect others and others affect you?<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> i see how the conversation here went... since i said i stole the neurology book.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> i guess i don't understand that question<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> With your work, do you see how your effort translates into the task and the task reverberates back outward to you?<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> Mindfulness includes the exchange.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> exchanging what?<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> Influence.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> * Simply-Me has quit (Connection closed)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> I see that in chat<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> not in work<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> work is like a puzzle i solve. like soduku or a croissword puzzle.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> i don't see it in life, either. i don't see how doing dishes influences me.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> You add or contribute something to a task, and it in turn provides some utility to another person, or to a future self. In doing so, it may return to you by way of a sense of accomplishment, or frustration. Burden, relief.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> oh<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> well, then... i guess i do see it in work and in dishes.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> it seems just like routine, though, in those cases... so maybe it's not mindfulness.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> well, clearly i don't understand what's really meant by mindfullness.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> Tough call.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> i thought it was presence of mind... <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> That, but not merely that.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> i think when my mind is wondering, lost in a daydream, or planning the future or remembering the past, i'm not mindful.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> that's been my belief, anyway.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> If just presence of mind, it could be just as easily called attention.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> yes<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> i always thought that if i could pay attention to the fact that i'm paying attention, i could learn someting. but this never lasts long.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> i'm paying attention, then... isuddenly realize that i've been daydreaming for quite some time.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> In the contemplative traditions I've been trained in (Chan, Dao, Rujia), we tend to extend presence of mind to awareness of all the ripples in the water.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> It encompasses the former in all its richness, but includes an additional element.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> i guess i don't understand. i thought you'd say more.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> Oh.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> I'm sorry.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> ahhh<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> lol it's ok :)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> take your time<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> With the Dao, as you know, dualities are reconciled.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> Opposites interact mutually.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> right<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> A stone in water causes ripples on the surface.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> And in turn, liquid erodes rock.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> hmm... well, i know that in theory... don't really understand how it relates to life (other than the obvious)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> Something so soft can slowly dissolve something so hard. And something solid will displace the liquid around it.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> yes<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> that i get... principles like that<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> The interactions, exchanges we encounter in daily life work the same way.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> yes, i understand that<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> Mind may seems so individual. Sometimes rigid, sometimes bending. People tend to think of it as confined, a totally internal process.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> One can develop mindfulness of what is occuring at this moment, but this is not mindfulness it all its fullness (and emptiness).<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> To see how this moment is not just one instant in time, but instead a continuum over which all things are stretched, takes it one step further.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> This moment is not isolated. This mind is not separate from the world outside.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> This moment flows into the next. This mind's activities spill over into the lives of others.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> The exchange becomes increasingly clear.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> The Buddha taught emptiness as the interconnectedness of all things.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> it seems very obvious to me when i think about it, thought it's not always on my mind<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> Things are empty of anything purely "self" in nature. They do not stand alone. They are not isolated.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> yes.. i agree.. everything in my brain came from outside, one way or another<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> and every action i make influences soemthing outside... i get your ripple effect now.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> i understand, i think.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> Laozi taught the interrelatedness of things that appear opposite and irreconcilable. Kongzi taught the interrelatedness of relationships, familial, communal, and political.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> (Laozi is how we say Lao-tzu and Kongzi is how we say Confucius)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> syes<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> i should say that, too<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> laozi<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> it's easier to type<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> i didn't know kongzi is confucius<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> Zi is an honorific.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> yes<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> Zhuangzi, Laozi, Kongzi.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> i read Lao Tzu = "Old Master"<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> Yes!<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> well, i agree to all this completely, and i see it clearly wehn i think about it.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> still.. i feel discontent with the control my subconscious exerts over my actions<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> :(<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> well, it's not that bad<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> i mean, it's not destroying my life<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> or even damaging, any more<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> it destroyed my marriage<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> I'm sorry it had that effect. :(<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> thanks, but<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> i understand that it takes some pain to learn some lessons<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> The path is not an easy one.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> i just want to... learn without pain from now on<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> my subconscious frustrates me frequently <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> i'll walk away from somehting on the stove, and completely forget<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> it burns<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> Same goes for relationships sometimes.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> i feel frustrated. this happens over and over. i say "ok, it's on the stove, i'll grab my glasses and come right back"<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> i promise myself to keep things where they belong, not just set them anywhere... but it doesn't work. i'm constantly loooking for things. my phone, glasses, pen...<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> whatever<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> sometimes i feel that there's a little demon in me trying to sabotage my day<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> also, yes, in relating to people, i'm often not at my best<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> I know I've asked it before, but do you maintain a daily meditation practice?<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> This might help.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> it's ineffective<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> i daydream<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> yes, i do try<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> Have you received instruction from a teacher?<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> but it's no different from saying "i'll reserve half an hour per day to daydream"<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> no, no teacher, just books<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> i try to do vipassana <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> Books can only do so much for us. :(<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> i loove chi gong in the morning<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> and lately, i'm doing tai chi in the evening<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> This might help too.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> i'm better then, but still i daydream<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> there are no teachers near me<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> it's ok - it's good to talk about these things - i like what you said about the ripples. it's a good way to look at it.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> Keep doing what works for you.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <Scott> yes... i'm just expanding it a little.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <[empty]> :)<br /> <br /> http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/12906880227http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/12906880227Wed, 16 Nov 2011 20:53:10 -0500<img src="http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lq2g7ctoVq1r178cxo1_500.jpg"/><br/><br/>http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/12773562454http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/12773562454Sun, 13 Nov 2011 22:22:22 -0500 <Fool> The old monk sat by the side of the road. With his eyes closed, his legs crossed and his hands folded in his lap, he sat. In deep meditation, he sat. <br /> <Fool> Suddenly his zazen was interrupted by the harsh and demanding voice of a samurai warrior. "Old man! Teach me about heaven and hell!" <br /> <Fool> At first, as though he had not heard, there was no perceptible response from the monk. But gradually he began to open his eyes, the faintest hint of a smile playing around the corners of his mouth as the samurai stood there, waiting impatiently, growing more and more agitated with each passing second. <br /> <Fool> "You wish to know the secrets of heaven and hell?" replied the monk at last. "You who are so unkempt. You whose hands and feet are covered with dirt. You whose hair is uncombed, whose breath is foul, whose sword is all rusty and neglected. You who are ugly and whose mother dresses you funny. You would ask me of heaven and hell?" <br /> <Fool> The samurai uttered a vile curse. He drew his sword and raised it high above his head. His face turned to crimson and the veins on his neck stood out in bold relief as he prepared to sever the monk's head from its shoulders. <br /> <Fool> "That is hell," said the old monk gently, just as the sword began its descent. In that fraction of a second, the samurai was overcome with amazement, awe, compassion and love for this gentle being who had dared to risk his very life to give him such a teaching. He stopped his sword in mid-flight and his eyes filled with grateful tears. <br /> <Fool> "And that," said the monk, "is heaven." <br /> <Fool> :)<br /> http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/12694384210http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/12694384210Sat, 12 Nov 2011 12:33:15 -0500 <Scott> i'm sipping my tea and trying to prepare myself for Veteran's Day in the USA<br /> <Scott> i have a premonition that I'm going to get very annoyed today.<br /> <The_Hatter> what do you do on the Veteran's Day?<br /> <Scott> You don't have a facebook, do you?<br /> <The_Hatter> mourn the fellow soldiers dead on a hill back there in Vietnam?<br /> <The_Hatter> I do<br /> <The_Hatter> I actually have two<br /> <The_Hatter> accounts<br /> <Scott> well, here's what I know about my American friends <br /> <The_Hatter> 'cause you meant THAT facebook, right?<br /> <Scott> most of them will "Support" their veterans by posting some dumb-fuck yellow ribbon on their facebook<br /> <The_Hatter> oh my, so disturbing<br /> <The_Hatter> I don't get this, really...<br /> <The_Hatter> most veterans are trained professionals who took the risk in exchange of a paycheck<br /> <The_Hatter> but probably that's not that true in the US<br /> <The_Hatter> bah...<br /> <Scott> soldiers and veterans are just people - they do good things and bad things, smart things and dumb<br /> <The_Hatter> my point is that there's no national celebratory day in favour of retired lawyers or social workers or teachers<br /> <The_Hatter> why retired soldiers?<br /> <The_Hatter> they just took a calculated risk, in the case of professionals<br /> <Scott> i'm not supporting or disparaging Veteran's Day as an institution... I'm annoyed by empty expressions of support itself<br /> * The_Hatter shrugs<br /> <Scott> i don't want to "Support", either falsely or genuinely, any group more than another<br /> <Scott> i'm annoyed by propaganda and people's blind following of it.<br /> <The_Hatter> right<br /> <The_Hatter> that's annoying<br /> <The_Hatter> also yellow isn't the best colour<br /> <Scott> and more importantly, their belief that clicking buttons to post yellow ribbons is a genuine expression of support.<br /> <The_Hatter> I'd choose red for veterans<br /> <The_Hatter> to each its own ribbon<br /> <Scott> they have pink ribbons for breast cancer, too<br /> <Scott> there are meanings for other colors, but i don't know them<br /> <The_Hatter> I know that lung cancer has no colour assigned<br /> <The_Hatter> mostly because lung cancer is associated with smoking, ie a personal (supposedly informed) choice, more than a disgrace<br /> <Scott> people get sucked into these unhealthy things... smoking, the army, whatever... there's no point in saying "informed choice" or 'calculated risk'<br /> <Scott> they are where they are - even if or even though it's their own fault, they may still need support of some kind.<br /> <Scott> stupid images of colourful ribbons are not support<br /> <The_Hatter> well, if you start smoking there are huge capitalised writings on every pack underlining hard enough that sure as hell it's not going to make you feel any better in the long term. Idem, if you enroll in the military, the risk of dying (and killing) is evident since the first trainings, methinks<br /> <Scott> you have a hard time accepting that other people don't have the same kind of consciousness that you have, huh?<br /> <The_Hatter> the fact that Joe was born in a patriotic family and that his society brainwashed him to the point that he joined the military and died in Iraq doesn't mean that it wasn't his choice<br /> <Scott> but if he comes home with a missing leg, and the government that promised to take care of his medical bills cuts it's funding...<br /> <Scott> then a yellow ribbon is as useful as a pile of shit.<br /> <The_Hatter> absolutely. I completely agree on this<br /> <Scott> so .. that's the frustration i'm expressing.<br /> <The_Hatter> ah, okay.<br /> <Scott> fuck yellow ribbons - let's see some news stories about such cases, and let's call our politicians.<br /> <The_Hatter> I don't like the idea that veterans or soldiers are heroes<br /> <The_Hatter> that's what, I think, I was trying to say<br /> <Scott> i don't either<br /> <The_Hatter> so, we're both frustrated<br /> <Scott> american soldiers are basically being used as corporate contractors<br /> <The_Hatter> let's join the army and do something with our lives!<br /> http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/12644344209http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/12644344209Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:22:38 -0500<n|ne> you probably aren't looking for the kinds of things on my blog, though<br /> <Mei> listening to frank now<br /> <n|ne> they're a pretty wide variety of cultures and stuff<br /> <n|ne> and genres <br /> <Mei> reminds me of the beer commercial with hugh hefner<br /> <n|ne> hm<br /> <n|ne> i don't know many commercials<br /> <Mei> good for you<br /> <Mei> commercials are stinky generlly<br /> <Mei> mess with your inner voice<br /> <Mei> at least they try<br /> <Mei> bastards<br /> <Mei> geez, i talk so much<br /> <n|ne> now that's an interesting statement<br /> <Mei> ...<br /> <n|ne> i'd like to know what you mean by that<br /> <Mei> oh<br /> <n|ne> "mess with your inner voice"<br /> <Mei> well, i meant that they plant tunes in your head, for instance, that make you remember that product they were trying to sell, and then... apparently.. some people go and buy that product when the need arises, because they remember that song<br /> <n|ne> ahhhhhhhhhhh yes<br /> <n|ne> i understand now<br /> <Mei> :)<br /> <n|ne> yes, it's very bad<br /> <n|ne> most people don't realize how intensely they've been programmed<br /> <Mei> yes, but it also teaches a lesson about not trusting inner voices<br /> <Mei> they're not necessarily yours<br /> <n|ne> hmmm that's true<br /> <Mei> you just have to look<br /> <n|ne> i never thought of it like that<br /> <n|ne> yeah<br /> <n|ne> but then... where's the line between "my own" and "others"<br /> <n|ne> ?<br /> <Mei> your own are usually the ones with the best intentions, and speak the softest<br /> <Mei> if you can call them your own at all<br /> <n|ne> but... if "theirs" came from outside... exactly<br /> <n|ne> intentions must be the key<br /> <n|ne> what do i want to make "my own" <br /> <Mei> yes, i think so<br /> <n|ne> and what is unworthy of me<br /> <n|ne> i like tht<br /> <Mei> what would be good to act on, and what wouldn't be<br /> <n|ne> what a thing - everything i am.... came from outside me.<br /> <n|ne> i never really felt it so clearly as i do now<br /> <n|ne> i have to save this conversation somewhere.http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/12393266991http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/12393266991Sat, 05 Nov 2011 20:16:00 -0400me <n|ne> or scramble them with some cheese<br /> * n|ne gives up<br /> <n|ne> the chinese elements, Friday, are Earth, Water, Fire (note the correspondence)... and metal and wood.<br /> <Anima> I'm going to search my freezer and fridge and cupboards now.<br /> <Anima> buh bye!<br /> <n|ne> good luck Anima <br /> <ElephantMan> o/<br /> <Friday> no air?<br /> <n|ne> may your quest yield yummy results!<br /> <n|ne> no, Friday, but... in the I-Ching (the only one of a handful of ancient classics to survive til modern times) there are three additional elemental ideas, one of which is Wind.<br /> <Friday> i see<br /> <n|ne> no, that's not true<br /> <n|ne> it's not an elemental idea<br /> <n|ne> i take it back<br /> * n|ne slaps my sleepy head<br /> <n|ne> it's not an element at all<br /> <n|ne> no, there's no element for air<br /> <n|ne> i was thinking of something else<br /> <n|ne> in the i-ching, there are eight thingies, but they're nothing to do with "elements" - sorry<br /> <Friday> okay<br /> <n|ne> yeah, it's weird, isn't it?<br /> <n|ne> no Air<br /> <Friday> do you consider yourself a taoist?<br /> <n|ne> air isn't considered an element<br /> <Friday> air should be elemental<br /> <n|ne> i dunno, Friday <br /> <Friday> whats your doubt?<br /> * The_Hatter (Joker^@AE073F.0F1C00.C0D0BE.A2478C) has joined #tao<br /> * ChanServ sets mode +a #tao The_Hatter<br /> * ChanServ gives channel operator status to The_Hatter<br /> <n|ne> well, it's not a doubt... it's just... those elements in chinese tradition aren't really meant to be taken as themselves - they each represent ideas<br /> <n|ne> they're more like mnemonics <br /> <n|ne> hi The_Hatter <br /> <Friday> welcome back<br /> <The_Hatter> hello n|ne, thanks Fri<br /> <n|ne> i think it's just a way of looking at things<br /> <n|ne> you don't necessarily need Air in the list if whatever Air represents is covered by something else<br /> <Friday> yes<br /> <Friday> but it is?<br /> <n|ne> i don't know anything about the western elements<br /> * ElephantMan is now known as Loki<br /> <n|ne> Earth, Air, Fire, and Water, right?<br /> <Friday> yes<br /> <n|ne> i dunno what they mean - did the people historically believe that everything was actually made of these things?<br /> <Friday> yes <br /> <Friday> the first philosophers<br /> <n|ne> so it was more like chemistry<br /> <n|ne> whereas, in the east, those things were just taken as conceptual ideas, rather than ingredients<br /> <Friday> the greek philosophers gave it an idea too<br /> <Friday> like Empedocles<br /> <Friday> the greeks<br /> <The_Hatter> I think Aristotle conceived those elements in a rather "conceptual" way as well<br /> <Friday> and the elements correspong to a god<br /> <n|ne> yeah... probably the smart guys took it as ideas.. the stupid population took it literally (probably in both east and west)<br /> <Friday> air for example with zeus<br /> <The_Hatter> for example his physics was famous for claiming that heavy object tend to fall because they try to reach the Earth, which is the natural incarnation of "heaviness"<br /> <n|ne> i remember that<br /> * Loki has quit (Quit: Reason filtered)<br /> <The_Hatter> so, I guess he was being very very conceptual<br /> <The_Hatter> which is a synonym for guessing<br /> <n|ne> well, what he said isn't wrong<br /> <n|ne> the explanations now are more complex<br /> <Friday> i like elemental philosophy<br /> <n|ne> better suited for more accurate predictions<br /> <n|ne> but not really any closer to the real truth <br /> <n|ne> if such a thing exists<br /> <The_Hatter> as far as describing reality is concerned, I think there's been a vast improvement<br /> <The_Hatter> and I also thing that Aristotle wasn't right about much<br /> <n|ne> there's been a vast improvement in our ability to predict<br /> <The_Hatter> and prediction comes from accurate descriptions<br /> <The_Hatter> if our descriptions weren't better than Aristotle's there would have been no improvement at all<br /> <n|ne> there's been a widening of the areas where we can predict<br /> <n|ne> is a car better than a horse?<br /> <The_Hatter> this doesn't pertain the question at hand<br /> <n|ne> oh, i see<br /> <n|ne> well, then, i withdraw the question<br /> <The_Hatter> that is at most a technological issue, I believe<br /> <The_Hatter> you might ask whether it's better more chemistry or Aristotle's theory of the five elements<br /> <The_Hatter> more = modern*<br /> <n|ne> my point is, if you gave aristotle a car, he couldn't get anywhere with it.<br /> <The_Hatter> mmm<br /> <The_Hatter> nope... I can't see the point<br /> <n|ne> lol<br /> <The_Hatter> maybe I stepped in the convo too soon<br /> * n|ne hugs The_Hatter <br /> <The_Hatter> lol<br /> <n|ne> who's Empedocles?<br /> <The_Hatter> a philosopher<br /> <Friday> one of the first greek philosopher<br /> <Friday> no, i think he was italian<br /> <The_Hatter> I knew he was born in a Greek colony in Sicily<br /> <The_Hatter> though I may be mistaken<br /> <Friday> sicily yes<br /> <The_Hatter> I studied him a looong time ago<br /> <Friday> me too<br /> <Friday> he described the 4 elements as spiritual essences too along with physical manifestations<br /> <The_Hatter> these were the philosophers I studied first in high school and I was 100% sure philosophy courses would have sucked<br /> * NineAneOneHalf (chatzilla@ED0186.03C53B.5DC97A.D8B4A8) has joined #tao<br /> <Friday> hi NAOH<br /> <NineAneOneHalf> lol<br /> <NineAneOneHalf> hi<br /> <The_Hatter> is it 9 *and* ½?<br /> <NineAneOneHalf> lol<br /> * NineAneOneHalf is now known as NinePoint5<br /> <The_Hatter> nice<br /> <NinePoint5> :D<br /> <The_Hatter> that's unequivocal, I believe<br /> <n|ne> lol<br /> <n|ne> anyway<br /> <n|ne> in chinese tradition, the five elements each create one of the others<br /> <Friday> makes sense<br /> <The_Hatter> like in a chain?<br /> <n|ne> fire produces earth, earth produces metal, metal produces water, water produces wood, and wood produces fire.<br /> <n|ne> does that happen in western tradition with Fire, Air, Water, and... what's the other? oh Earth<br /> <The_Hatter> then what was the first element to come into existence?<br /> <Anima> yo<br /> <n|ne> lol <br /> <n|ne> wb Anima <br /> <The_Hatter> hello Anima <br /> <Anima> thx<br /> <Anima> hi<br /> <The_Hatter> 'cause there must have been a first, right?<br /> <Friday> wood and water produces air<br /> <n|ne> actually, The_Hatter, i think in taoist tradition, none created one, one created two, two created three, and three created 10000 (meaning everything)<br /> <The_Hatter> none created one... mmm<br /> <The_Hatter> well... this is surely very poetical<br /> <n|ne> is "a speck exploded into everything" more comforting to you?<br /> <n|ne> :D<br /> <The_Hatter> absolutely not<br /> <n|ne> lol<br /> * n|ne waits for the novel The_Hatter is almost certainly writing<br /> <Friday> haha<br /> <The_Hatter> lol<br /> * n|ne giggle<br /> <n|ne> awwww<br /> <n|ne> i was wrong<br /> * n|ne snaps<br /> <Anima> you guys got me thinking about the universe<br /> <The_Hatter> my apologies<br /> <n|ne> i was watching Star Trek with my family when i was about 8 years old<br /> <Friday> yes, to empedocles, the interaction of the elements govern the nature<br /> <n|ne> it was the beginning where he says "Space... the final frontier"<br /> <n|ne> and my parents started talking about... how could space NOT be the final frontier - if the universe were in a box, what would be outside that box? More space<br /> <The_Hatter> it could well be time<br /> * n|ne shrugs<br /> <The_Hatter> I mean... I can think of superpowers fighting for the control over time<br /> <n|ne> i think that's how chinese 5 elements are intended to be looked at, Friday <br /> <The_Hatter> that's a frontier<br /> <n|ne> like empedocles said<br /> <Anima> it's all so strange<br /> <Anima> you never get anywhere thinking about it<br /> <n|ne> i know!<br /> <Anima> it annoys me a lot<br /> <n|ne> lol<br /> <Anima> i can't ask anyone questions<br /> <n|ne> well, it fascinates me<br /> <Anima> because nobody knows<br /> <n|ne> i get in a strange state of consciousness when i think too much about it<br /> <Anima> yeah, but there's not really much to think about because you've got nothing to go on<br /> <Anima> yeah, me too<br /> <The_Hatter> what exactly is the question?<br /> <n|ne> like, if there was a big bang... WHERE did it happen?<br /> <Anima> i don't like that state of consciosness<br /> <n|ne> why was there "space" in the first place?<br /> <Friday> i likke<br /> <n|ne> i like that state of consciousness<br /> <Anima> Hatter the questions are all the usual ones about the universe<br /> <Anima> like<br /> <Anima> what was before big bang?<br /> <Anima> where did it all come from initially?<br /> <The_Hatter> where's my money?<br /> <n|ne> lol<br /> <Friday> lol<br /> * n|ne has changed the topic to: <Anima> what was before big bang?<br /> * :Unknown command<br /> * :Unknown command<br /> <n|ne> doh<br /> <Anima> it would be so cool if we could ever know <br /> <The_Hatter> I do believe modern cosmology provides answers for a lot of the usual questions like n|ne's "where did the big bang happen?"<br /> <The_Hatter> Anima's ones a bit tougher, since there's no agreed-upon answer yet<br /> <n|ne> not to my satisfaction, The_Hatter <br /> * n|ne has changed the topic to: <Anima> what was before big bang? where did it all come from initially? <The_Hatter> where's my money?<br /> <The_Hatter> you can think of the Big Bang has happening everywhere in space at the same time, since space at the time was rather small<br /> <n|ne> if "space" has a size, what's outside of it?<br /> <n|ne> don't say "time" - that makes no sense<br /> <Anima> was there vacuum before the particles exploded into it?<br /> <n|ne> yes!<br /> <n|ne> good question<br /> <The_Hatter> the very idea of "outside" doesn't make sense out of space<br /> <n|ne> was there "nothing" somewhere?<br /> <n|ne> exactly<br /> <n|ne> the very idea of "outside" doesn't make sense out of space<br /> <n|ne> so "space" or "nothing" must have been there<br /> <n|ne> but why would it be there at all?<br /> <n|ne> WHY IS ANYTHING ANYWHERE!?!?<br /> * n|ne feels that funny feeling<br /> <n|ne> somebody make a joke! Quick!<br /> <Anima> i can't<br /> <The_Hatter> the usual answer is contained in the Lambda-CDM model and it briefly says that space was originally filled with a very special Higgs field (known as inflaton field) that has a non-zero lower energy level that triggered spontaneously an inflation (that looked like a baaaang)<br /> <The_Hatter> from this spontaneous explosion of energy (transformed from potential field energy to actual energy) all particles were formed through usual processes studied in particle physics<br /> <n|ne> this is all reverse logic<br /> <Friday> damn the physics<br /> <The_Hatter> now... why that Higgs inflaton field was there is still disputed<br /> <Anima> the ballon that loses air and gets blown up again all the time?<br /> <n|ne> you could follow that trail of bread crumbs forever, The_Hatter, and never get to the beginning<br /> <The_Hatter> n|ne: it has to be reverse logic. This Higgs inflaton field was "invented" and is predicted by inflationary cosmology exactly because it fits what we observe today. We're looking for it because if it were there we would indeed observe what we observe today<br /> <Anima> or is the explosion=to the inflation?<br /> <The_Hatter> Anima: the model of the universe growing and shrinking again was one of the Friedman models and nowadays is not considered accurate anymore (except by some string-physicists that, I don't know why, still find the idea to be working despite evidence)<br /> <n|ne> it's an infinite loop, The_Hatter - you can always count one number highter. you can always find one particle smaller. there's always another point between any two points.<br /> <The_Hatter> yes, the Big Bang theory simply predicted that some kind of process set the galaxies in motion. Now, after inflation, we know it's been an inflationary process <br /> <The_Hatter> n|ne: very likely so<br /> <Anima> isn't an inflation when something shrinks?<br /> <The_Hatter> nope, it's when something grows exponentially<br /> <n|ne> that's contraction<br /> <n|ne> inflation is expansion<br /> <Anima> :p<br /> <n|ne> defaltion is contraction<br /> <n|ne> when you breathe in, your lungs inflate<br /> <Anima> makes slightly more sense now<br /> <Anima> i'll think of money inflation and remember the word<br /> <n|ne> heh<br /> <Anima> how many miles big or millimeters big was the Higgs field, Hatter?<br /> * NinePoint5 is now known as Zoinks<br /> <The_Hatter> the fact is n|ne, that these are not lazy abstraction, as it would seem. The idea of an Higgs inflaton fields helps explain why the space is locally flat, why we observe wrinkles in the microwave background radiation and maybe even why the proportion between matter, dark matter and dark energy are as they are<br /> <Anima> Could there be more Higg's fields in the universe now or is there some way to detect them?<br /> <The_Hatter> mmm... I am not sure I understand the first question<br /> <The_Hatter> the Higgs fields (there are many) are supposed to permeate all space-time<br /> <Anima> What does that mean?<br /> <The_Hatter> the only way to detect them is to find the particles that transmit them, which are Higgs bosons<br /> <The_Hatter> it means that the Higgs fields are everywhere<br /> <The_Hatter> (or at least are thought to be everywhere)<br /> <Anima> transmit them to where?<br /> <n|ne> it's just one way of looking at things - suitable to one set of purposes.<br /> <The_Hatter> through space-time<br /> <Anima> i feel angry<br /> <Anima> because i don't understand<br /> * n|ne hugs and pats Anima <br /> <The_Hatter> okay, what's the question?<br /> <The_Hatter> where the Higgs bosons go?<br /> <Anima> 100000000<br /> <Anima> i don't even know wha a boson is<br /> <Anima> i'm going to think of it as a green car<br /> <The_Hatter> it's a type of elementary particle<br /> <The_Hatter> lol<br /> <Anima> and where is it going?<br /> <The_Hatter> it goes from everywhere to everywhere in space-time<br /> <The_Hatter> like all fields do<br /> <Anima> and i don't understand, do all the bosons contain a universe but in potential energy state form at the moment?<br /> <The_Hatter> it moves from a source to a pit in the field<br /> <The_Hatter> bosons don't contain universes :-S<br /> <Anima> does it move randomly?<br /> <Anima> Higgs field=bosons?<br /> <The_Hatter> no, they follow usual laws of interaction<br /> <n|ne> so a "field" (in physics) is a mathematical idea, right?<br /> <The_Hatter> bosons are the particles that transmit forces: ie they constitute the fields<br /> * n|ne needs some basics<br /> <The_Hatter> no, fields are thought to be real entities<br /> <The_Hatter> constituted by real particles, known as bosons<br /> <n|ne> i always thought a field was like the lines on a graph<br /> <Anima> could you draw a boson hatter?<br /> <n|ne> and the representations on that graph<br /> <The_Hatter> no, I cannot, Anima <br /> <The_Hatter> n|ne: fields can be represented graphically in many ways<br /> <Anima> so how many bosons in one higgs field?<br /> <n|ne> lol<br /> <The_Hatter> well... that depends on the intensity of the field<br /> <Anima> how many in the one that became the universe?<br /> <The_Hatter> a bit like lots of electrons generate lots of electricity<br /> <The_Hatter> I have no idea<br /> <Anima> why couldn't other higgs fields become universes?<br /> <n|ne> i'm sorry, i can't help but think of fields and bosons as mathematics<br /> <The_Hatter> mmmm... let's clarify one thing, Anima: the inflaton field didn't become a universe<br /> <The_Hatter> it caused the space-time fabric of the universe he was originally in to expand<br /> <Anima> lol scott, to me they are green cars ^^ and the higgs fields are traffic <br /> <The_Hatter> but it didn't create the universe<br /> <n|ne> heh<br /> <n|ne> i like that<br /> <The_Hatter> n|ne: you're not the only one<br /> <The_Hatter> I am very sympathetic of the mathematical-only interpretation of modern physics<br /> <n|ne> if a boson is a "particle", wouldn't it have a shape?<br /> <n|ne> even if it's a dot?<br /> <The_Hatter> yes, it would have a shape<br /> <Anima> inflation field=higgs field?<br /> <Anima> okay<br /> <Anima> so there was a universe<br /> <The_Hatter> the inflaton field (*inflaton* is not a typo!) is one of many Higgs fields<br /> <The_Hatter> yes<br /> <Anima> and in this universe there were many higgs fields<br /> <The_Hatter> yes<br /> <Anima> one of them was called the inflaton field<br /> <The_Hatter> as you can imagine this raises MANY questions<br /> <The_Hatter> yes<br /> <The_Hatter> and it caused the universe to go kabooom<br /> <Anima> this particular one exploded one day<br /> <Anima> and when it exploded it caused time<br /> <The_Hatter> it "exploded" because of a very peculiar property that is a non-zero lower energy state<br /> <The_Hatter> no<br /> <The_Hatter> time was already there<br /> <Anima> what did it cause?<br /> * Simply-Me has quit (Connection closed)<br /> <The_Hatter> this Higgs inflaton field is merely a way of explaining why something like a big bang is now observable<br /> <The_Hatter> it caused space-time to expand<br /> <The_Hatter> a lot<br /> <Anima> okay<br /> <n|ne> but... in the end... it all comes down to some mathematical equations Doctor Higgs did, right?<br /> <Anima> so say the universe was the size of an apple before the inflation<br /> <Anima> how big was it afterwards?<br /> <The_Hatter> absolutely, n|ne. No experimental confirmation so far<br /> <n|ne> i expect one day they'll confirm it<br /> <The_Hatter> I don't exactly remember the proportions of the expansion, Anima. I am sorry<br /> <n|ne> then someone will come up with some more math<br /> <The_Hatter> I am afraid you will have to google that<br /> <The_Hatter> sure, n|ne <br /> <n|ne> it never ends<br /> <Anima> did you study this on your own or in school hatter?<br /> <The_Hatter> and what's most important, physicist will never be unemployed!<br /> http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/11735589980http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/11735589980Fri, 21 Oct 2011 12:29:06 -0400<Calculon> my brother in law just lost his job<br /> <Calculon> the company where he used to work went bankrupt<br /> <Calculon> everyone is losing their job in this economy<br /> <n|ne> yeah, it's hard times<br /> <Calculon> it's really hard<br /> <Calculon> he has mortgage to pay a car to pay <br /> <Calculon> electricity to pay, garbage, internet, he might lose it all<br /> <n|ne> and who wins if he loses his house?<br /> <Calculon> i don't know<br /> <n|ne> who'll get the house?<br /> <Calculon> the bank<br /> <n|ne> and who got all the interest he's paid so far on the house?<br /> <Calculon> the bank<br /> <n|ne> and who gets "bailed out" if they should happen to lose any money on any deal they make? and who PRINTS THE MONEY to give out the loan in the first place?<br /> <n|ne> yeah, the bank.<br /> <n|ne> it makes my blood boil.<br /> <Calculon> yeah<br /> <Calculon> scary stuff<br /> <Calculon> he has a section of the house rented<br /> <Calculon> he will collect money of unemployment<br /> <Calculon> from unemployment<br /> <Calculon> unemployment benefits<br /> <Calculon> but still if he doesn't get a job they could lose it all because unemployment benefits are temporary<br /> <n|ne> i wish i knew what to do<br /> <n|ne> there's nothing just a few people can do<br /> <Calculon> so do you think capitalism is good?<br /> <Calculon> with the way things are going for everyone do you still think capitalism is good?<br /> <n|ne> i don't think it's the "ism" that matters - it's how much the people (the masses) pay attention and act on what they see.<br /> <n|ne> capitalism would be fine if people were enlightened<br /> <n|ne> communism would be fine if people were enlightened<br /> <n|ne> hell, a monarchy would be fine if people were enlightened<br /> <n|ne> even a dictatorship<br /> <n|ne> there's no form of government that's safe by itself<br /> <n|ne> the only way to be safe from danger is to be aware of the danger and act accordingly<br /> <n|ne> and very few people in the world are willing to see what's real<br /> <n|ne> people see what they want to see - until it's too late.http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/9726253484http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/9726253484Fri, 02 Sep 2011 20:43:46 -0400<n|ne> i'm not really here, actually<br /> <n|ne> i'm working<br /> <anatta> argh<br /> <anatta> okay<br /> <n|ne> lol but i just happened to check the window<br /> <anatta> cool<br /> <anatta> lucky me<br /> <n|ne> lol lucky, i guess...<br /> <n|ne> i usually don't keep it open during the day<br /> <n|ne> but i received a strange and urgent request via email<br /> <anatta> i see i see<br /> <anatta> whats the time nwo over there<br /> <n|ne> to meet and chat<br /> <anatta> huh?<br /> <anatta> what request was that?<br /> <n|ne> lol<br /> <anatta> from whom?<br /> <n|ne> it's 2pm here<br /> <n|ne> from a Mysterious Chatter!<br /> * MACARIUS (MACARIUS@17A9C1.708C48.0A043B.F5E172) has joined #Buddhism<br /> <anatta> you know him?<br /> <n|ne> unfortunately, this mysterious chatter never showed up<br /> <n|ne> and yeah, i know the person<br /> <n|ne> just don't know what game i'm being involved in<br /> <n|ne> silly world<br /> <anatta> humm<br /> <n|ne> silly world full of silly games<br /> <n|ne> but i'm happy to play when i can<br /> <anatta> i dont know too<br /> <anatta> its somebody from our icq chat probably<br /> <n|ne> just believe whatever they want you to believe<br /> <anatta> and maybe i can even guess<br /> <n|ne> it's easy<br /> * JohnC (JohnC@E9EA8C.4737D8.B8E727.47454B) has joined #Buddhism<br /> <anatta> lol<br /> * Nobody- (Nobody-@69D76E.E49135.C9F753.95C4DF) has joined #Buddhism<br /> <anatta> well<br /> <anatta> once i trust someone i do that yes<br /> <anatta> i dont doubt much<br /> <n|ne> don't bother guessing - I'll just say Yes to every guess you make<br /> <anatta> got it, it stays a secret<br /> <n|ne> i do it to everyone<br /> <n|ne> i figure... if they need to be believed... go ahead and believe them<br /> <n|ne> it can't hurt me to believe them, right?<br /> <anatta> i dont know if it can or not<br /> <n|ne> it can only hurt me how i act<br /> <n|ne> i mean<br /> <n|ne> How i act is the only thing that can hurt me<br /> * idomeneus sets channel limit to 24<br /> <anatta> i think i understand<br /> <anatta> its difficult sometimes<br /> <n|ne> well,i don't provide that service to just anyone<br /> <anatta> especially if you built up strong connections with someone on the other side of the world<br /> <n|ne> only the ones i like<br /> <anatta> yep<br /> <n|ne> so... if someone i like on the other side of the world wants me to believe he's a nuclear physicist.. why not?<br /> <anatta> im a lot like you in that regard i think<br /> <anatta> i have few doubts with the people i like<br /> <anatta> i need no prove<br /> <n|ne> if he is then revealed as a phony and wants me to like him anyway... why not? i never liked him for the fact he was a nuclear physicist, anyway - if i like someone, it's something else - not facts they want me to believe<br /> <anatta> damn right :)<br /> <n|ne> :)<br /> <n|ne> you're a smart guy, anatta <br /> <n|ne> or... gal...<br /> <anatta> those words were yours<br /> <n|ne> as the case may be<br /> <anatta> guy is correct<br /> <n|ne> ya, but there aren't a lot of people who could comprehend them<br /> <n|ne> and a lot fewer who'd not object to them<br /> * Nobody- (Nobody-@69D76E.E49135.C9F753.95C4DF) has left #Buddhism ("Leaving")<br /> <n|ne> (the words, i mean)<br /> <anatta> yeah<br /> <anatta> similar stuff happened for me, so i can understand what you say<br /> <anatta> once i love a person, it doesnt matter what happens, or what they do, there is hardly something they can do that makes me run away<br /> <n|ne> there's one requirement, though, for this philosophy to work <br /> <n|ne> you have to really be careful how you act<br /> <n|ne> externally and internally, too<br /> <anatta> thats the thing<br /> <anatta> i think im just figuring it out<br /> <anatta> if you can share something on how that works for you, im listening<br /> <anatta> hehe<br /> * n|ne thinking<br /> <anatta> difficult matter, i know<br /> <n|ne> i guess the key is to not want anything from the other<br /> <n|ne> just accept what you get without wanting any more<br /> <n|ne> accept their presence or behavior or ... i dunno... whatever it is about them you like...<br /> <n|ne> and not crave more.<br /> <anatta> you hit the point<br /> <n|ne> i'm thinking there's probably more<br /> <n|ne> but i'm not sure exactly what it is<br /> <anatta> i think its pretty much this<br /> <n|ne> i think, whatever more there is, it still falls under this category<br /> <anatta> yes<br /> <n|ne> there are so many things we can want that don't seem like "things we want"<br /> <anatta> oh yeah<br /> <n|ne> what do I get out of "being friends with a Nuclear Physicist"?<br /> <n|ne> i mean, besides the wonderful fun he is to chat with?<br /> <n|ne> or let's make him an astronaut<br /> <n|ne> or a billionaire sheik <br /> <n|ne> or a movie star<br /> <n|ne> whatever<br /> <anatta> i think there is more than fun to true human relations<br /> <anatta> for me people like this are a great source of inspiration sometimes<br /> <n|ne> well, i expect "fun" is a result of that 'something more'<br /> <n|ne> probably the feeling of "love" is a result of 'something way more'<br /> <n|ne> am i making sense<br /> <n|ne> ?<br /> <n|ne> lol<br /> <anatta> i think so hehe<br /> <n|ne> i think connecting to people (or somtimes animals, and maybe even other things) is tied into the meaning of life<br /> <anatta> love, maybe the most valuable quality there is<br /> <n|ne> and a "connection to people" can manifest itself as fun, or love, or whatever<br /> <anatta> i think that<br /> <anatta> you know i think usually we dont really recognize the value of this<br /> <anatta> in times when we seem to have plenty<br /> <anatta> but when you are really really down and empty<br /> <n|ne> ya<br /> <anatta> even the smile of a stranger can work wonders<br /> <n|ne> :)<br /> <n|ne> i agree completely<br /> <n|ne> say! we should right a book!<br /> <n|ne> lol<br /> <anatta> hehehe :D<br /> <n|ne> i haven't read such things in any self-help or spiritual-guru type books<br /> <n|ne> of course, i haven't read many of those<br /> <n|ne> i've thumbed through quite a few<br /> <anatta> yeah i see<br /> <anatta> well im not a reader either<br /> <anatta> though ive read mostly buddhist things<br /> <n|ne> i like some buddhist things<br /> <n|ne> and some taoist things<br /> <anatta> there is a lot of truth that we have naturally within us i think<br /> <n|ne> ya<br /> <anatta> its kind of weird even sometimes, how answers can come to you<br /> <anatta> i have felt a lot like this in times when i was talking a lot about buddhism here in the chat<br /> <anatta> i was never a great scholar or reader regarding buddhist material but it always seemed clear to me <br /> <n|ne> yeah, i think these things trigger understandings that we already have - like something we'd forgotten, and then a sound or sight triggers the memory<br /> * MACARIUS has quit (XMLSocket Connection closed)<br /> <anatta> i really believe so<br /> <n|ne> and, of course, a thick and heavy ego can really mask such natural insights<br /> <n|ne> probably why "enlightened" people seem so smart and impressive :D<br /> <anatta> its kind of a state of mind that makes things clear. i think you just need to be detached from views and thoughts to see clearly<br /> <anatta> hehe yeah :)<br /> <n|ne> yeah, i agree - detached from views/thoughts<br /> <n|ne> Dayum! We are a couple of smart sons-a-bitches!<br /> <anatta> haha<br /> <n|ne> oh dear<br /> <n|ne> i'd better get some lunch and do some work<br /> <n|ne> before my new client starts whining or pitching a fit<br /> <n|ne> or worse<br /> * n|ne shudders<br /> <anatta> okay :D<br /> <n|ne> see you later, anatta <br /> <anatta> was great to talk to you nine<br /> <anatta> see you<br /> <n|ne> don't you come in late anymore?<br /> <n|ne> what time is it there?<br /> <anatta> well its quite late already. 21:43 <br /> <n|ne> ahhh that explains it<br /> <n|ne> i'll have to drop in during the day more often lol<br /> <n|ne> anyway<br /> <n|ne> ttylhttp://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/8438590473http://rabbitsmiceandfleas.tumblr.com/post/8438590473Wed, 03 Aug 2011 15:56:27 -0400